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Post by chet on Jul 20, 2007 16:27:04 GMT -5
They do have the right, whenever they don't insult people for whoever they cheer or like
That's attempting to our liberty.
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Post by Thr33XWA on Jul 20, 2007 16:34:49 GMT -5
Yes, but even though everything you and Thr33x stated were true, people still have the right to be opinionated and express what they feel about WWE. Now you're the one not paying attention.  "Guess this is where I should step in and add my two cents. There's a little something that we Americans cherish (the the point of abusing, lol) called Freedom of Expression. It's one of those laws written in our Constitution, and it does indeed apply to this situation in that anyone here can have any opinion about a given wrestler or those who like those wrestlers, no matter how unwarranted, uninformed or just plain selfish those opinions may be." What that means is that you can think whatever you want to, and say so as well. The rest pretty much sums it up in The Rock's own immortal words...as far as WWE is concerned: "It Doesn't Matter what you think." Dollars speak stronger than any opinion you can give about this. Welcome to free enterprise, folks. |
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Post by shia on Jul 20, 2007 16:36:34 GMT -5
They do have the right, whenever they don't insult people for whoever they cheer or like That's attempting to our liberty. You have the right to defend what you think is true just like others who believe the total opposite. It's really opinion based in my opinion. You can't know what you are truely talking about unless you are really in the business. You can say "Cena gets with the fans" all you want, but there are wrestlings fans that they don't get over with. They are some that aren't into wrestling like yourself, and just about charactor. I am a wrestling fan before charactor. That's my stand on it. You like what you like. |
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Post by xwa on Jul 20, 2007 16:36:49 GMT -5
On the topic of a wrestler having talent, I'd like to throw in something. Keep in mind, I'm not defending Cena.
Most of the time, when the writers create a gimmick, they also throw in moves for the gimmick to do. As such, A wrestler's talent can actually be HINDERED by the gimmick. Nowadays in the WWE, it's rare to see a person have their own move set. Sad, as it is. Some people say that Cena was decent before his current gimmick. I'll admit, I was a fan of the Heel rapper gimmick. It made it entertaining. To me, however, Cena's current gimmick(insane baby face. That's the gimmick, nothing else) is very bland and I care nothing for it. And while the over imposed Fireman's Carry finisher is stretching the fabrics of reality a bit, Cena does his best to make it believable.
Of course, EVERY wrestler has their certain moves of doom. Some are just more noticeable than others. Cena is a perfect example. I can name off at least 3 of them. 5 Knuckle, FU, STFU. Beyond that, I'm not sure(or I don't care, or maybe both).
Anyways, just points I wanted to point out. I may be repeating what's already said, but it's coming from a different light.
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Post by Shawn Hollywood on Jul 20, 2007 16:37:08 GMT -5
But if we can complain, we will. Doesn't matter who listens and who doesn't.
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Post by genesis on Jul 20, 2007 16:39:03 GMT -5
lol, this topic is getting way out of hand.
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Post by scott on Jul 20, 2007 16:39:24 GMT -5
Yes, but even though everything you and Thr33x stated were true, people still have the right to be opinionated and express what they feel about WWE. I never said they couldn't. But a vast majority of people have no clue about the issues that go on in wrestling behind the scenes. I don't knock people for having opinions. I knock people for mindless following the opinions of the masses with no real idea on why. Say "Cuck Fena" for your own reason, not because you wanna be "cool" with all the other people that hate on him. And MG, I bust your balls because it's fun...and so GOD DAMN EASY. No hard feelings. You oughta know by now i'm equal opportunity ball buster. ;D |
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Post by Shawn Hollywood on Jul 20, 2007 16:40:07 GMT -5
I straight up say fuck Cena. |
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Post by prank on Jul 20, 2007 16:46:47 GMT -5
So you are more "cool" |
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Post by MG on Jul 20, 2007 16:52:37 GMT -5
Scott that is sig is because it looks funny and I don't like Cena now because of two things 1.Shelton is not in the WWE champ matches 2.I miss the Heel Rapper
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Post by prank on Jul 20, 2007 16:54:10 GMT -5
Heel rapper Cena pwned. I miss him too  |
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Post by Thr33XWA on Jul 20, 2007 16:56:08 GMT -5
But if we can complain, we will. Doesn't matter who listens and who doesn't. When it escalates past the point of a DISCUSSION...then it actually does matter. Hint Hint... And again on the BUSINESS standpoint of things, they gave the belt to the next top heel on the SD roster behind Edge, and sorry to say people but that's The Great Khali. It's all business decisions and CREATIVE ones to create storylines for their shows. Edge won the freaking title on the same pretense: Taker wins at WrestleMania, gets injured>>> Kennedy wins MITB, gets injured (then drafted to RAW upon return)>>> They had nobody else to carry the title and obviously weren't going to give it BACK to Batista when he lost it in the first place. So they bring Edge over who wasn't being used in any title situation on RAW and put him in position to win it. He does. He gets injured, they change the plan. At first, the Title was supposed to have been the catalyst for Taker's last great run before he retires. Obviously from a creative standpoint with him on the shelf, they wanted a heel to have the title because as far as SD goes, there's no bigger face on roster than the Deadman. Dating back again to wrestling history, titles seem to have more value to them when a heel holds the belt. Look at Flair. In WCW he was the man you loved to hate and did more for the World Title than anyone who's held it in WWE COMIBINED. Taker ccould probably have brought that kind of prestige to it's WWE version, but that didn't come to pass, so they have to do it in wrestling terms "the old fashioned way". People like to see the good guy take the prize from the bad guy, not the other way around. Hence it'll probably be a Triple Threat match between the 3 biggest guy on SD for the biggest PRIZE on SD...and DON'T be surprised if Khali wins the match. If he does, it creates the same thing Cena does whenever he somehow hangs onto the WWE title: BUZZ. Call it what you want...bottom line is that WWE calls it BUSINESS, and that's what it's all about right there, point blank. When these things can be discussed constructively and in a professional standpoint, it's all good...but as I said before, guys like my brother, O'Dell and myself have been around for a while, so we know the deal and we can DISCUSS the issue. Not ARGUE about it. Thus far this thread has been on that borderline between the two, I'm basically saying don't cross it. The topic is Khali and the World Title, not Cena and the WWE Title. |
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Post by christina on Jul 20, 2007 17:08:37 GMT -5
That's what it's all about most people have blind rages and think that because a wrestler is a good technician he's bread and honey. When it's obvious that a wrestler needs also 50% fans and 50% skill all balanced. When people go into blind rages they don't see anything, neither the business part which is what WWE cares about, they care bout their fans, not about certain characters in the internet that hate Cena so they are "trendy" and "cool" |
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Post by scott on Jul 20, 2007 17:21:04 GMT -5
In regards to Cena, when he first came into the biz, he was all over the place. Crossbody splashes and elbow drops from the top rope. That was when he was Mr. "Ruthless Aggression". Could he still do all of that? Hell yea. But it's because of the "Character" John Cena that he doesn't. Because the writers fit him with the "ground & pound" style. They made him a brawler, when in fact early in his WWE career, and even when he was in OVW as "The Prototype" he was a traditional grappler/high flyer, and had some BALLS OUT matches with Shelton Benjamin back then as well. It's all about what the writers feel will get over. Hence is why the joined the phrase "Getting Over" in wrestling. And right now, Khali's the big draw, and the writers are pushing him. They didn't send him back to Smackdown to be a midcarder, that's for sure.
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Post by LUCAS STYLES. on Jul 20, 2007 20:25:35 GMT -5
I'll admit, heel rapper Cena was good. I just hate the current one. I don't get how I'm supposed to cheer for a guy whose "intense face" looks like he's crapping out a bowling ball. Likewise..well I was. Now I'm going into highschool  ... |
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