TNB/New Fed?

[ss]

I'm looking into putting together a complete new fed. New staff, new roster, new sim squad, everything completely new.

TNB, as it stands, is at a stand still. The fed won't open until Feb, which is 3 months away. During that time, we'd need to recruit heavily to replace the people who are going elsewhere, retiring, or taking breaks from the e-fed game. It's not looking "good" for TNB, thus Lionheart is looking to ease the load, and put TNB on hiatus until things pan out better all around.

In the mean time, I'll be looking to run a new company, and this is just a "feeler" to see if the interest is there from people to join up, form a staff, offer to sim the matches, and help run a cohesive "run by the people, for the people" fed. It won't be "The Sylas show", I don't want the focus on Sylas at all. In fact, I probably won't even use him in the new company. I'll create a new boss figure, and if I'm on the roster at all, it'd be either
- a whole new character
- a tag team
- or an established character with little to no success/history to make them any better then anyone else.

Ideas? Thoughts? Offers?

[Osiris]

Sounds interesting.

[hc]

I've browsed the TNB board a few times over the last few months since I learned of it's existence. (Namely from reading a lot of the older threads here and hearing of the original TNB's close tie in and eventual absorption into XWA.) Not to stir anything up, but it looked kinda rushed and "slapped together" from what I perused. As someone who has been on both ends of the E-Fedding spectrum, a member and an admin, I can say without hesitation that starting a new fed, much less running one, is a hard task to accomplish. My most successful personal undertaking, Prime Time Wrestling, lasted 4 years, but the 1st year was hell on Earth, namely because I was the only person on staff. Eventually the load began to lighten as I found people I could trust enough to help out as staff. But what truly makes or breaks your fed is the handlers/characters you allow to be brought in.

I've been quite critical about a few characters here behind closed doors. I'll say no names, but the characters aren't very strong. They're good for one shot posts, but when you flesh the character out there's little else there. Those kind of characters are all over E-Feds. Some of them eventually evolve into noteworthy characters, but that's about 35% of the time, and that usually happens when said character finds him/herself either working with someone who compliments the character and a strong rivalry and/or friendship is born from it, or the handler is thrust into a scenario where he/she has to evolve the character into something more or get left in the dust. An example I'll use is Robby Sylk. At 1st, I wasn't a huge fan of the character. He seemed like just another shallow, arrogant John Morrison clone. But over the course of 2009 in his feud with Kris Cade, a character that does have depth, the Sylk character began to change into a more brooding, cunning character. He began to show a darker side that worked within the context of the character's persona. In doing that, the overall appeal to Sylk increased. I can actually say now that I'm liking the direction the character is headed for 2010. It's prime example of how a semi-lacking character can be re-tooled into something greater.

How does this pertain to a new potential fed? Simple. Having characters with depth and range. And I want to point something out that needs to be cleared up. Depth and range does not entail a veteran character. It doesn't have to be a character who's been around the block. It's a character who's persona and gimmick are well planned and executed perfectly that excels. I'll use two XWA rookies for example, Dan Ripley and Jeremy Pendleton. Both are brand spanking new characters. This is the 1st year either character has been used in any capacity. Yet they're among some of the most interesting and most read characters on Takedown, dare I say more so then some of the established characters. Why is that? They both have depth and range. They can go a number of different directions, and have over the course of the season. Characters who bring out the best in other handlers, and challenge them to step their game up. Yes, you have established characters who do that as well, like Cade as I mentioned above, MVS, O'Dell and so on. But to get that in a character who is relatively new is a good sign of what kind of quality the character and handler will bring to the table.

Now in a new fed comprised of predominantly new characters, such characters will stand out. They'll pull away from the rest of the pack quite quickly. There in lies the key. Because you don't want a hierarchy set. That will deter the not so decent handlers or the ones who don't have very strong characters from putting in the effort. How you use the stronger characters is key. You can't put them against each other. That's a recipe for disaster. These characters will cross paths eventually, no doubt about that. But the stronger characters should be tasked with helping build up the not so strong ones. Your fed is only as strong as it's weakest member. No matter how good your handlers are, or in some cases "think" they are, it doesn't matter if your not getting strong efforts up and down the roster. It can be difficult, yes. But from my research before I joined here, XWA started out with a cast of unknown, never before seen characters and a few established ones, and now going on four years later it's still going strong.

But it's not only the members that make your fed strong. You have to do you part as well. I've been here in XWA for about two years now. I've seen a lot of people come and go. But the core of XWA remains the same. The same group of people that where here at the very beginning, when XWA was just a small blip on the E-Fed radar. (FYI, it's not anymore. Go check out roughkut's Sim E-Fed database. XWA's at the top of the list of profile views) That doesn't happen by chance. That happens when you have people on board who believe in the fed, and believe in your direction for it. As we all have seen if you've been doing this longer then three years, there's a constant flux of E-Feds. They come and go like the tide. But the ones that last are the ones that evolve as time progresses, but stick to it's original vision, as well as caters to a certain demographic. XWA for example, while it's a very engaging fed, is extreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeemely open ended. A sand box fed if you will. A lot of people are put off by that as it's so wide open, it's felt it can be quite easy to be lost in the shuffle. That's just the nature of how XWA was built. All you have to do is follow the very few rules Kaoz and 3X put in place, and go from there. You make of the XWA experience what you make of it. Many people have flourished from it, many people have flopped from it. But it is what it is, and the members who have remained over the years have committed to it's success.

Do you have to form your fed like XWA is? No. That's the beauty of E-Feds. You can run it under whatever structure you want. But it has to be a structure you have faith in will work. Because when you see it's not working, so does everyone else. And that's where problems start. Best and most important piece of advice I can possibly give you is figure out the format of the fed before you even think of recruiting talent. If you build something without a proper foundation, it's eventually going to cave in on itself. Don't create a fed you think everyone wants to join. Create the fed you want to create. Make it something you have confidence in. Other people will follow, buy into it, and support it. As far as characters go, I'd be willing to contribute one or two, but seeing your caw screen shots, you're a 360 user, so chances are you'd be using that as the sim format. As I'm in no way a fan of typing up formulas, that'd be the one and only thing that stops me from being part of it. It's the reason I've up until this year never shared any of my caws outside of ps2 game saves. Sorry for the uber long post as well. I get in a zone and type and type and type, lol.

[ss]

I'm the same way. Get on a roll and go with the flow.
Back in the No Mercy/Smackdown SYM days, I ran an efed of roughly 40-50 Caws/30 handlers and kept it afloat for around 3 years until I ventured off outside to get serious in my own history.

Having been apart of some of the MAJOR efeds (VWE, LXW/XWA, GCW/FCW), I've seen the good, the bad, and the ugly of how feds can be run. A substantial amount of people approach me about ideas for their feds, to staff their fed, or help run it. It wasn't until Karl/Lionheart talked to me about closing TNB down as our staff dwindled down, our sim team became 1 person, and counted on me to purchase a cap card, and upgrading my computer greatly.

I've always been an idea man, and someone (I would like to believe) who can keep the peace amongst the roster. Being a 10 year vet, it brought me alot of respect from newer characters, and handlers familiar with me, and my work. So me stepping in occasionally to say "Come on guys, be grown ups and talk this out for the sake of the fed" was a plus. I do have detractors, more then I would like, and most for stupid reasons, or grudges from years ago, but I believe I can still pull it off, from an admin standpoint. Hence my venturing out for staff from beyond my circle of friends. I know plenty of ppl who would be great on staff with me, but I don't want to get into another "Kliq" situation where people feel it's catering to favorites and friends.

I want a fresh start, and with the lack of major feds now-a-days, want to bring some competition to the game. I've been center ring of the 3 ring circus of efeds long enough, and I believe it's time to build up the next wave of e-fed talent. So an open door policy would be in effect. Past, present grudges/feuds, left at the door in favor of a family feeling amongst us all.

As for character prefrence... I'd like a mix of everything. Established talent to push the newer talent, new characters, characters who have been on the brink of exploding through the glass ceiling, and old characters who haven't been seen in awhile.

As for the 360/PS3 issue... I'd think with just the facial/body figs, and pics I/staff could create anyone from PS3. Plus people are starting to do video forms, and others are willing to help transfer from one system to another. So hopefully, it's a viable option across all the platforms.

As I said, this was a feeler to see if the interest was there, and if anyone would be willing to volunteer to step in/up as a staff member, or to sim, or help create caws. I don't have sky high hopes, but I felt I could atleast see if it was possible.

[gallas]

Well, if the idea does begin to take shape, you have mines and 3X's support. If any existing XWA member decides they wanna tryout a new character in a new fed, ESPECIALLY since we're pretty much tapped for roster space here for next season, you're more then free to do so, given the fact that you don't forget you need to show up at show time here as well. We're setting up the 2010 season so as it's not a full time grind like previous years, so there'll be plenty of time for our members to post IC and OOC here, as well as elsewhere. So as it takes shape this new venture, we'll help out how ever we can, but NOT as staff. I myself would offer up 2 brand new characters (male & female) to said place, and help out with potential angles. (We all know I can whip up some good ones)

[xwa]

And just so everyone knows, no I am not gonna be a part of staff of Sylas' new fed, nor do I have any interest in being a staff member anywhere else. I am staff here and this is where I will only be staff from this point forward.

[okami]

It would have to be something completely different from what is already happening to catch my interest these days. Like a super small company filled with no-names, part-timers or broken down has beens. Or maybe dinosaurs would have to be involved, the very first wrestling company ever. Or maybe everything takes pace under water. Maybe not. The point is it just has to be something else at this point. Another global/national/large company putting on a television shows and ppvs is not even going to get me to open my eyes a millimeter wider. I already have that job.

Good luck with what ever you decide to do or not do.

[epic]

I might. A GCW rebirth is looking pretty scarce. School and shiz and tired of playing the e-fed admin struggle. lol. Would be a noob. I haven't made any noobs yet though.

[MG]

Dec 10, 2009 16:57:54 GMT -5 @hc said:

I've browsed the TNB board a few times over the last few months since I learned of it's existence. (Namely from reading a lot of the older threads here and hearing of the original TNB's close tie in and eventual absorption into XWA.) Not to stir anything up, but it looked kinda rushed and "slapped together" from what I perused. As someone who has been on both ends of the E-Fedding spectrum, a member and an admin, I can say without hesitation that starting a new fed, much less running one, is a hard task to accomplish. My most successful personal undertaking, Prime Time Wrestling, lasted 4 years, but the 1st year was hell on Earth, namely because I was the only person on staff. Eventually the load began to lighten as I found people I could trust enough to help out as staff. But what truly makes or breaks your fed is the handlers/characters you allow to be brought in.

I've been quite critical about a few characters here behind closed doors. I'll say no names, but the characters aren't very strong. They're good for one shot posts, but when you flesh the character out there's little else there. Those kind of characters are all over E-Feds. Some of them eventually evolve into noteworthy characters, but that's about 35% of the time, and that usually happens when said character finds him/herself either working with someone who compliments the character and a strong rivalry and/or friendship is born from it, or the handler is thrust into a scenario where he/she has to evolve the character into something more or get left in the dust. An example I'll use is Robby Sylk. At 1st, I wasn't a huge fan of the character. He seemed like just another shallow, arrogant John Morrison clone. But over the course of 2009 in his feud with Kris Cade, a character that does have depth, the Sylk character began to change into a more brooding, cunning character. He began to show a darker side that worked within the context of the character's persona. In doing that, the overall appeal to Sylk increased. I can actually say now that I'm liking the direction the character is headed for 2010. It's prime example of how a semi-lacking character can be re-tooled into something greater.

How does this pertain to a new potential fed? Simple. Having characters with depth and range. And I want to point something out that needs to be cleared up. Depth and range does not entail a veteran character. It doesn't have to be a character who's been around the block. It's a character who's persona and gimmick are well planned and executed perfectly that excels. I'll use two XWA rookies for example, Dan Ripley and Jeremy Pendleton. Both are brand spanking new characters. This is the 1st year either character has been used in any capacity. Yet they're among some of the most interesting and most read characters on Takedown, dare I say more so then some of the established characters. Why is that? They both have depth and range. They can go a number of different directions, and have over the course of the season. Characters who bring out the best in other handlers, and challenge them to step their game up. Yes, you have established characters who do that as well, like Cade as I mentioned above, MVS, O'Dell and so on. But to get that in a character who is relatively new is a good sign of what kind of quality the character and handler will bring to the table.

Now in a new fed comprised of predominantly new characters, such characters will stand out. They'll pull away from the rest of the pack quite quickly. There in lies the key. Because you don't want a hierarchy set. That will deter the not so decent handlers or the ones who don't have very strong characters from putting in the effort. How you use the stronger characters is key. You can't put them against each other. That's a recipe for disaster. These characters will cross paths eventually, no doubt about that. But the stronger characters should be tasked with helping build up the not so strong ones. Your fed is only as strong as it's weakest member. No matter how good your handlers are, or in some cases "think" they are, it doesn't matter if your not getting strong efforts up and down the roster. It can be difficult, yes. But from my research before I joined here, XWA started out with a cast of unknown, never before seen characters and a few established ones, and now going on four years later it's still going strong.

But it's not only the members that make your fed strong. You have to do you part as well. I've been here in XWA for about two years now. I've seen a lot of people come and go. But the core of XWA remains the same. The same group of people that where here at the very beginning, when XWA was just a small blip on the E-Fed radar. (FYI, it's not anymore. Go check out roughkut's Sim E-Fed database. XWA's at the top of the list of profile views) That doesn't happen by chance. That happens when you have people on board who believe in the fed, and believe in your direction for it. As we all have seen if you've been doing this longer then three years, there's a constant flux of E-Feds. They come and go like the tide. But the ones that last are the ones that evolve as time progresses, but stick to it's original vision, as well as caters to a certain demographic. XWA for example, while it's a very engaging fed, is extreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeemely open ended. A sand box fed if you will. A lot of people are put off by that as it's so wide open, it's felt it can be quite easy to be lost in the shuffle. That's just the nature of how XWA was built. All you have to do is follow the very few rules Kaoz and 3X put in place, and go from there. You make of the XWA experience what you make of it. Many people have flourished from it, many people have flopped from it. But it is what it is, and the members who have remained over the years have committed to it's success.

Do you have to form your fed like XWA is? No. That's the beauty of E-Feds. You can run it under whatever structure you want. But it has to be a structure you have faith in will work. Because when you see it's not working, so does everyone else. And that's where problems start. Best and most important piece of advice I can possibly give you is figure out the format of the fed before you even think of recruiting talent. If you build something without a proper foundation, it's eventually going to cave in on itself. Don't create a fed you think everyone wants to join. Create the fed you want to create. Make it something you have confidence in. Other people will follow, buy into it, and support it. As far as characters go, I'd be willing to contribute one or two, but seeing your caw screen shots, you're a 360 user, so chances are you'd be using that as the sim format. As I'm in no way a fan of typing up formulas, that'd be the one and only thing that stops me from being part of it. It's the reason I've up until this year never shared any of my caws outside of ps2 game saves. Sorry for the uber long post as well. I get in a zone and type and type and type, lol.

Yo can type my 2500 word essay for law? lol.

Mr.Black, since you read somethings on TNB how do you like Micheal Ragen?

I'll join man. I'd do it for the sake of having some good RPing and open ended stories. I want to bring in some opened ended wrestlers too. I can do it all. I certainly would like to have a fed that is in a indie sort of light. Instead of us having this outta nowhere global appeal how about us just starting out and it can be a rooting back story when people that sign up join by coming to the tryouts in a local High School or Gym. That can be everyone first RP for the first two weeks so everybody can mix and mingle.

I could also help but that's if I get my wires fixed and a XBox Live card for my bros account.

[kimmy]

You always have my support Myke, always man for anything new that you wanna try out.

[ss]

Well, I have a board partially set up, under my old home fed named UPW (Ultimare Pro Wrestling) which last ran online around 2002. ultimateprowrestling.proboards.com/index.cgi

I'd run it under that name, or under AIW (Allied Inter-fed Wrestling) which would welcome wrestlers from every fed, to compete under one banner, to crown a male champ, womens champ, tag champs, and extreme champ, of all competing feds. That is, if the fed heads all agreed to acknowledge it within their feds.

It's kinda like OWN, but also different.

[MG]

Signed up. One question. Real people are on the fed?

[ss]

As I said, was an already set up board that a friend and I were gonna run on our own, and I tossed my roster I had created, into an event that I was gonna run, and type up to show how the text results would be if I couldn't get a simmer/sim team.

Once/If this goes through and I can get a staff/team together to run, then I'll delete that stuff I have up already, and go from there with originals.

[Trouble*]

Dec 11, 2009 20:56:09 GMT -5 @kimmy said:

You always have my support Myke, always man for anything new that you wanna try out.

Did anyone else think gay sex while reading this?

[epic]

Dec 13, 2009 19:51:21 GMT -5 Trouble* said:

Dec 11, 2009 20:56:09 GMT -5 @kimmy said:

You always have my support Myke, always man for anything new that you wanna try out.

Did anyone else think gay sex while reading this?

Guilty.