Accomplishments (Feedback Requested)

[Thr33XWA]

In further hammering home the fact that we here in the XWA are committed to members who are committed to XWA (I call it the "circle of life"), I...well, WE hereby as the staff have collectively agreed to the declaring that Accomplishments in your sig of your CAW or character outside of the XWA are to be removed immediately.

While we understand that it tells a brief tale of what it is that you've done in the past in and for other places, as stated in our guidelines and places elsewhere in the board, we are interested only in those that you accomplish within our league, and those therefore are the only one's relevant FOR our league, so any such accomplishments aside from total win-loss records (season or career-if you keep tabs on that you deserve to flaunt it) and those that are DIRECTLY related to this fed need to be removed from your sigs immediately, and I mean ALL other feds, even that one I ran last year.

The obvious goal in this is to make members realize that it's not where you were it's where you're at and while in XWA you need to be filling that empty space up with things that you are doing for our fed, not what you've done for others.

Now before I make this into an iron-clad rule, I'd like to hear what you have to say about it.

[kimmy]

It's no problem to me because like I said to you already, and now I'll state it to everyone I keep my other business seperate from XWA and I've never put it in my sig here.....so to me it doesn't really matter........

[Thr33XWA]

Such a ruling isn't going to affect too many people here as we have enough first timers, exclusives and people who just don't do it, but those who do would just have to realize that it's statement being made to show commitment to our league and what it is they plan to do in our league. Like I said earlier, 2008 will driven on building characters within the XWA respectively so there's going to need to be a conscious effort by all who walk through the door to do that, and we wanna see what it is that those people do for the team and not just for themselves.

[x]

I'm all for it. I'd be a prime example actually. I'm still quite active in the text based fed ICWL I'm part of. In fact, I hold two titles there currently. But they hold no relevance to X-Rated here in XWA. Therefor, I have no intentions on even mentioning them here, just as I don't mention his being in XWA there. The only time I have, and will mention the other feds he's been part of in posts to further his character, not as badges of honor.

["The R*" Robby Sylk]

I'm more than honored with the badges I have in my sig right now. I'm hoping to add that World Title userbar in mine by the season's end. ;D
Not saying that I've done more than the next guy though, but it does say exactly what it is that I've done here in XWA though, and that gets you a bit more respect amongst your actual peers here, or at least it should especially for the newcomers. You see that and then you know who are the guys and gals who're doing things and exactly what it is they've done.

Beside, do enough for XWA and you won't even have room to list anything else. That's my outlook on it.

[ohno]

While it is good for morale and I can understand why some people are keen on the idea, to me it completely undermines what some of us have spent years in doing, to establish a character and their history.

It immediately puts everyone on the same level, and yeah, while good is also bad.
Think of it this way.. WWE/TNA/ROH/ECW... basicly every fed in the world acknowledges every fed in the worlds title history. Infact it's that alone which has made free agent signings A HUGE DEAL when it comes to debuts and who's who.

Same can be said in any sport really. Football, Hockey, Soccer, Basketball, Baseball...
Making people refuse to acknowledge their past history.. is like..

Asking Wayne Gretzky, Michael Jordon, Andy Pettite, Joe Montana to forget they ever won a title, championship, ring, superbowl.. etc..etc.. just because they signed with another team.

Now, being one of your rules, I oblige it, but not with a smile on my face. Truth be told, it turns my stomache to know some hack who was created 10 mins ago and submitted to join the fed is immediately on the same level as Sylas Styles...

Hack: no feds, no titles, no rep
Styles: 10 feds, 7 world titles alone, 45 seperate title wins, considered a LEGEND amongst his peers, the efed world he travels, the internet wrestling community and on atleast 7 out of 10 original caw boards you go to, if you mention the name, they know it....
BUT, here in XWA.. HACK and talk down to Sylas because.. well because the rule says Sylas = N00B without a past anymore.

Now.. IMO.. in a sig, no harm, no foul, no offense...
but being forced down your throat in Promo after Promo, Yeah.. stop that before it's too excessive and becomes the soul focus of the caw.
And before anyone even thinks of being mr smart ass and saying thats what Sylas did here, you'd be wrong. Sylas came here, a masked unknown and fought anyone who wanted to. The only time he even mentioned a title win, was when generic heel/face #whatever talked down to him about him being nothing, and that was only to prove a point.

So yeah.. thats my 25 cents Canadian... $5.13 American via exchange rate

[Xander Xavier Luther]

It's kind of a bitter pill to swallow here, but thinking about it I realize that yeah I could record the fact that I was champion in the "Bingo Hall" and that Mari was a Tag champion in "Toronto" but it's like...what does that really have to do with them being here? I've been tempted to follow the trend myself at times but I see no point in it now that I really stop and think about it. It's not like they actually SAY that Sting was multi-time WCW Champion in TNA, just that he was a multi-time WORLD champion, and then they leave it at that. You certainly don't see WWE even mentioning TNA or ROH even indirectly in that respect. It's as if to say OK, we acknowledge what you've done in the past but we have a business to run here. Not trying to start anything up but, as far as the references to MJ, The Great One and the like, I don't think this is as much in terms of signing with another "team" as it is signing with another "league" entirely, so as stern as this seems it's pretty lenient too in the fact that you can mention it, but just don't floss it.

In hindsight, no offense to anyone who is in any other fed out there but what matters here really is what happens here and what's important for XWA is not the past elsewhere, but the present and the future of the XWA for all of those who are here, have been here and will come here. I agree with Sylk in saying that doing enough here will fill that space up easy, and if the staff has decided to regulate on it outright, well it's their show and we're all players in it. Certainly does make the statement that things are done a little differently here though.

[Thr33XWA]

XXL hits the point out of the park there with the referring to WWE. All that matters in that promotion is what happens IN that promotion and we are taking the same stance on the issue here. You never here or see anything about another place there, and we want the same thing here unless it is deemed relevant material. Even still for the most part it's only going to result in a response to the effect of "So what?" or "Who cares, you haven't done anything here" anyway, and if you actually haven't then well, you're not actually over the next man as far as having impact here realistically, no matter how you slice it. 2008 marks a new year with everyone on a level playing field with ample time to get as much recognition or ire as you can possibly muster up through your own or collective efforts.

Now, that being said this I didn't think this needed to be said but I will do so now. From the day the doors opened until the day they close, we have and will see every single member of this board as equals regardless if you've been doing this 9 years or 9 minutes. We take individual consideration into account of course but every single aspect of the system behind the XWA relies on the fact that it's all about the league, the members of the league and what the members do in the league. We want each member to be an acknowledgment to that exact goal right there, what it is that you are doing in the XWA for the XWA, and those are the acknowledgments and accomplishments we want to see here.

[undefined]

Meh. I'm cool with it.

It's not like Testudo's been in any other feds anyway.

[punch]

I'm on either side of the fence on this one. I'm one of the "new guys" who's benefited from putting work in, and take a totally unknown character and turning him into a main eventer. You go to ANY other fed, and you better believe they know who Jonny Punch is (got rejected from one with a totally different character because they found out it was "the man" behind the punch. But they're a bunch of pussies, so...). So I can understand how someone like say Brent or Cinder would like there title history still in there sigs. To an extent it tells the story of where they've been. Lionheart's sig is basically a bible of his entire career. I think on the same lines as Brent. It should be more prevalent to deter people from boasting and bragging about it IC first. If that can happen, I don't see much threat in having a characters title history in there sig. That's just my two cents. (I just stole Kiss' line.)

[ohno]

Hell has frozen over...
Punch & I agree lol

But ya, thats what it comes down to... Respect
It's one thing for someone to say "What have you done here" it's another for them to say "Ya, so what, you've done alot everywhere else, but your still a piece of shit, the lowest of the low and quite frankly, I think your a goof!"

To me, it's acknowledgment I like to have. Like with Starr here and everywhere else. When Brent hits the ring, YOU KNOW someones about to get ripped a new one, because thats the character and thats what he does. People acknowledge that.. but they all of a sudden suffer from amnesia when it comes to a character being an established one. If they were to treat it like

"Hey, I realize your a 10 time world champion. That your win loss record is 100 and 21. You probably HAVE beaten someone better then me and done it quick. But I don't care about what you've done before, that was then, this is now"

It's the disrespect of the character which extends outwards towards the handler of said character that irks me.

[gallas]

While that's true. VERY true, it also falls into the context of what 3x said as well. That being those particular characters who pretty much base themselves on what they've done elsewhere thinking that gives them status over other people, IC or other wise. When that happens, it looks bad. Tacky even. Because said person pretty much rights off a whole post made by someone else pointing out whatever short comings they might have with "I was 20 time superA wrestling champion. I'm better then you, blah blah blah." What we're trying to get people in the habit of doing is instead of focusing on what they've done elsewhere, doing stuff HERE. All the removal of individual accomplishments from other feds serves as is a VISUAL reminder that what you've done elsewhere doesn't count in XWA. Because for a new person coming in, they'll see someone with a thousand and one titles in there sig, and that person will automatically think "That guy's a big timer, I better not go after him", pretty much limiting who they'll work with. I'm thinking of it on the human element of the matter.

On a person level, I truly could care less what anyone's done anyplace else. I've won a multitude of titles with Jayson Jones in three different feds. But I don't list any of them in a sig, because they're meaningless to mention in that light. What I do is IC make mentions to his title history, but only when the situation presents itself. All we're really trying to do is hammer home exactly what I mentioned earlier, that being all that matters in XWA, is what HAPPENS in XWA. Not having your title history shouldn't effect the prestige you character commands. The character itself should do that enough on it's own. But that's just one dog's opinion.

[Xander Xavier Luther]

If someone takes that as disrespect what Starr is describing then they need to fall back think about it for a while because in all honesty that is what it's all about. It's not where you've been before, it's where you are now and what it is that you do now that matters most above anything, and speaking for myself that's what I myself judge the competition by. I agree to some extent that this shouldn't be regulated, but rather relegated to the discretion of the individual.

If someone chooses to use that as their shpeil constantly then they shouldn't be surprised when other people pass them by because it IS about the present. This is a matter of respect, the respect that you have for being a part of this place. We're given enough respect back from the staff by way of all the effort that they put into running this place and the fact that they put the effort into those who put the effort into them. I think X put it best in the guidelines of characters when he said this:

"While we are always glad to welcome in new names and new faces, keep in mind this is an establishment that you're entering and you need to have respect for this establishment if you plan on staying, that means focusing your efforts for your character in XWA on XWA."

Personally the fact that this is guideline that is mandated in the rules of the XWA should be enough to "hammer home" the fact. There's no need to make a visual mandate of it IMO because those who follow the guidelines described will flourish and those who don't will be left behind, simple as that. Like I said before, most of the self-serving glory hogs have found their way elsewhere because it's been established long before any rule was made that all that matters not in the XWA in the sense that it's going to give them some kind of stroke.

You think of the guys in the driver's seat here and you think of guys like O'Dell and Wyle and Joey and Ashley, etc., people who have put their full effort here while they are here. They are the people who get the respect here because they are the ones who have contributed for here. Think of the Legends of other feds for example. They are well respected in their home federation for what they've done for that federation and to SOME extent respected outside of it, but that doesn't mean that they're not going to have to bust their asses any less than the guy who's been in and out of feds for months or who's just starting off now. If that's the case then said person needs to come off the old high horse and walk on the ground with the rest of us. Who is really doing what and how is already shown on the Big Board-that should be enough physical representation of how great a character is whether they have list of titles in their sig or not.

The only one such person right now who's even in the top tier of the XWA is Lionheart and that all happened when he started focussing on his XWA career. If that doesn't speak volumes enough then I don't know what will. In closing I don't think it needs to be a visual thing, keep it how it is, a matter of individual effort for what it is that the members do here and now. That's how you get your respect around these parts.

[car]

I myself only have Nick Jones in 2 Efeds one of which is only starting Dec 1st. So I will only put my accomplishments that I have from XWA into my sig.

[Chris Lionheart]

Has there been an official ruling on this yet?